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Takmičenja i izložbe => Takmičenja i izložbe => Topic started by: Momcha on 13-10-2011, 20:16:06

Title: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Momcha on 13-10-2011, 20:16:06
Dragi prijatelji, sa malim zakasnjenjem vas obavestavam da ce se Nisko takmicenje odrzati 05.11.2011
u Regionalnom centru za obrazovanje, uz park Svetog Save (kao i proslih godina).

09-12h prijem maketa
12h otvaranje takmicenja
12-17h ocenjivanje
18h proglasenje pobednika i zatvaranje takmicenja

Ukoliko ima zainteresovanih da donesu makete u izlozbeni deo,mogu to da urade.Kao i prosle godine
obezbedicemo poseban deo za makete koje nisu za takmicenje (projekti u radu,stare makete...)

Spisak ucesnika na berzi bice nadoknadno objavljen.

Spisak kategorija:

Juniori:

1.    Juniori Vazduhoplovi-avioni i helikopteri 1/72
2.    Juniori  Vazduhoplovi-avioni i helikopteri  1/48
3.    Juniori Vojna vozila 1/72
4.    Juniori Vojna vozila 1/48 i 1/35

Kadeti:

1.     Kadeti  Vazduhoplovi-avioni i helikopteri 1/72
2.     Kadeti  Vazduhoplovi-avioni i helikopteri  1/48
3.     Kadeti  Vojna vozila 1/72
4.     Kadeti   Vojna vozila 1/48 i 1/35

Seniori:

1.   Seniori Vazduhoplovi-avioni propeler 1/72
2.   Seniori Vazduhoplovi-avioni propeler 1/48
3.   Seniori Vazduhoplovi-avioni mlazni 1/72
4.   Seniori Vazduhoplovi-avioni mlazni 1/48
5.   Seniori Vazduhoplovi-avioni 1/32 i vece
6.   Seniori Vazduhoplovi-avioni 1/144 i manje
7.   Seniori Vazduhoplovi-helikopteri sve razmere
8.   Seniori Vojna vozila-tockasi 1/72 i manje
9.   Seniori Vojna vozila-gusenicari 1/72 i menje
10. Seniori Vojna vozila-gusenicari 1/48,1/35 i vece
11. Seniori Vojna vozila-tockasi 1/48,1/35 i  vece
12. Seniori Diorame i Vinjete-1/72 (Seniori,Kadeti & Juniori)
13. Seniori Diorame i Vinjete-1/48,1/35  (Seniori,Kadeti & Juniori)
14. Seniori Figure-sve razmere
15. Seniori Brodovi i podmornice-sve razmere
16. Seniori Civilna vozila-sve razmere
17. Seniori Science fiction sve razmere

Kotizacija po takmicaru je  500 din a za tezgu 1000din.Pravila oko podizanja maketa i objavljivanja plasmana vaze kao i prosle godine.
Sa novim informacijama uskoro.
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Suhoj on 05-11-2011, 22:12:33
Evo vratih se iz Nisa, takmicenje je bio odlicno!
Sve pohvale organizatorima!
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Boki on 05-11-2011, 23:07:49
Ево и резултата данашњег такмичења:

J1   1   Инес Стојановић   CH-47
   2   Един Клико   P-47 Tanderbolt
   3   Јован Стојков   Спитфајер

J3   1   Александар Филиповић   Boj
   2   Марко Цветић   T-34
   3   Никола Ковачић   SdKfz

K1   1   Стефан Ступар   Mi-24
   2   Огњен Царевић   Mi-24

K4   1   Огњен Царевић   T-55A
   2   Стефан Панајаотовић   M-2001 (M84 AB1)
   3   Стефан Ступар   BTR-80A

S1   1   Јован Петровић   Junkers Ju-390V-2
   2   Далибор Репић   SB2C-4 Helldiver
   3   Ivailo Vratchanski   Il-2

S2   1   Stanislav Petkov   JOV-1A Mohawk
   2   Ivailo Vratchanski   Potez 630
   3   Lubomir Nikolov   Heinkel He-177A-5 Greif

S3   1   Simeon Ivanov   F-86F-40
   2   Драган Цветић   MiG-21 F-13
   3   Ненад Петковски   MiG-21 Bis

S4   1   Kalaitzoglou John   TF-104/G
   2   Pano Groplev   A-7E Corsair II
   3   Милан Радуловић   F-84F

S5   1   Kalaitzoglou John   TBM-3 Avenger
   2   Душко Тановић   Њепор 17
   3   Mihail Vodenicharski   AH-64D Apache Longbow

S6   1   Petro Koramitev   Challenger CL-604
   2   Alexander Olegov Nenov   Junkers G.38 Lufthansa DHL
   3   Срђан Радосављевић   CF-188

S7   1   Драган Цветић   Ми-24В
   2   Предраг Цицуљ   K-29 Heliks
   3   Зоран Јаковљевић   Bell UH-1 Huey

S8   1   Зоран Јаковљевић   DUKW
   2   Милош Мицић   VW Buba

S9   1   Немања Мијатовић   ISU-152
   2   Алекса Елез   Tiger I late
   3   Ненад Матић   Sig 33-2 Auf Jagpanzer

S10   1   Stanislav Stefanov   "AT-T (Soviet heavy artillery tractor)"
   2   Иван Ристић   М-32 ЈНА
   3   Ненад Матић   PzKpfw I ausf A "Breda"

S11   1   Дарко Симић   SAS Jeep
   2   Иван Ристић   Haubica M-65
   3   Бранислав Бижић   Kubelwagen

S12   1   Georgi Chichkan   Soviet factory
   2   Михајло Ивановски   Luftwaffe '46
   3   Александар Стојановић   "300"

S14   1   Kazantzidis Jordan   Hector (bust)
   2   Ђорђе Милтеновић   Scissor
   3   Theologou Nikos   Roman Legeonary 1BC

S15   1   Svetoslav Dimov   U-boat Seehung
   2   Mihail Vodenicharski   USS Constitution
   3   Ivailo Vratchanski   Drakkar

S16 + S17   
        1   Bojidar Stamenov   Citroen Xsara
   2   Mihail Vodenicharski   X-Wing Fighter
   3   Александар Стојановић   Цепелин СФРЈ

S18 (самоградња)
   1   Милан Радуловић   "Помоћна аеродромска возила ЈНА"
   2   Александар Стојановић   Вин Хуа 1.500
   3   Сретенка Ђурић   Демоазел Сантос Димон

Хвала свима. :cheers

Поздрав
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Mikoyan29 on 05-11-2011, 23:29:08
Takmicenje je bilo odlicno, svaka cast organizatorima!  :mjetal  :super
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: milten on 06-11-2011, 01:08:35
Drago nam je da vam se svidja takmicenje. Trudili smo se da budemo dobri domacini.
Ovde pokusavamo da povezemo slike maketa sa rezultatima.
http://nmpnis.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: ubermagog on 06-11-2011, 11:33:15
Svaka čast za 'računarski centar', ovo su baš brzo izbačeni rezultati  :D
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: zaki on 06-11-2011, 14:38:40
Pa, bre, dajte još slika....
:'(
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: gmiserbia on 06-11-2011, 14:54:22
Quote from: zaki on 06-11-2011, 14:38:40
Pa, bre, dajte još slika....
:'(
Ево слика
http://www.krilapetrovgrada.org.rs/forum/index.php?topic=615.15
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Sandman on 06-11-2011, 15:01:31
U ime Beogradskog Maketarskog Kluba zahvaljujem se organizatorima na još jednom dobrom takmičenju.

Bilo je lepih maketa za videti, što od strane domaćih to i od stranih učesnika.
Berza je bila skromnijeg karaktera nego prošle godine, ali se nadam da su svi posetioci mogli da nađu bar nešto za sebe ;)

Nagradni fond je ove godine bio zaista dobar i koristim priliku da čestitam svim dobitnicima medalja i nagrada osvojene rezultate, kao i da poželim uspešnu primenu samih nagrada na budućim projektima u radu (ko nije upoznat, u pitanju su bile veoma zgodne "Kagero" publikacije, kao i dekali za makete u raznim razmerama + Dremel aparat kao poklon Miška iz Švajcarske + još par zgodnih nagrada).

Na mene je lično poseban utisak ostavila "kreativna radionica" gosta iz Poljske, Kamila Feliksa Sztarbale, koji je za par sati prikazao svoju tehniku isticanja senki na vojnim vozilima. Verujem da su svi okupljeni učesnici uživali u ovoj demonstraciji. Zaista lep gest, i jedna lepa ideja za koju bih želeo da bude prisutna i na ostalim našim takmičenjima - imamo dosta vrsnih maketara koji bi mogli ovako nešto da prikažu posetiocima, i da time učine samo takmičenje malo zanimljivijim i bogatijim!

Čestitam još jednom  svim osvajačima medalja i nagrada, a organizatorima se zahvaljujem na gostoprimstvu i uvek dobrom i veselom druženju!


U ime BMK ekipe,
Srđan
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Milan18111 on 06-11-2011, 15:58:04
Zadovoljstvo mi je bilo da ponovo prisustvujem takmicenju u Nisu.
Domacinu sve cestitke na organizaciji  a takmicarima na osvojenim medaljama.
Veliki pozdrav prijateljima iz Nisa i vidimo se sledece godine....
Evo neka slicica i od mene......

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Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: dusko on 06-11-2011, 17:42:30
Nisam bio prisutan ali gledam slike i citam tekstove o takmicenju (posebno me je odusevio dolazak Poljskog kolege i demonstarcija njegovih majstorija)i mogu reci svaka cast na organizaciji ,nagradama ambijentu ,mislim da su kolege iz Nisa zadale nove standarde u organizovanju takmicenja bravo jos jednom.
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: gasha on 06-11-2011, 19:25:33
Bilo mnogo ubavo kao i svake godine. Zelim Vam da jos  puno godina traje i bude sve bolje.
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: nesha on 06-11-2011, 23:15:01
Хвала нашим домаћинима на великом труду који су уложили да нас дочекају, угосте и испрате да смо сви задовољни и да увек пожелимо да поново дођемо и дружимо се.
Да нам такмичењеу Нишу поживи још много-много година!  :cheers
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: su27rules on 06-11-2011, 23:37:36
Hvala za fotke,odlicne makete !!
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Gusha on 06-11-2011, 23:39:59
Društvo, hvala svima što ste došli i uveličali nam ovo takmišenje.Hvala puno i gostima iz okruženja, (Bugarska, Makedonija i Grčka) jer bez njih atmosfera nebi bila potpuna.Kao što ste imali priliku da vidite juče, pokušali smo da unesemo neke novine u program takmičenja, i na osnovu vaših komentara, izgleda da smo uboli u kosku....Pojlak je bio pravo osveženje, a moglo je i nešto da se nauči od njega...Meni je lično bilo prijatno da se vidim i popričam sa drugarima, (koliko je to bilo moguće od obaveza) jer smatram da je to suština ovakvih događaja....Predlažite, sugerišite, kritikujte...drudićemo se iduće godine da još poboljšamo...
Vidimo se na NG kupu ( tamo ću ja da ločem, žderem i kafenišem a neki će da šandrcnu oko papirologije >:D ), a u Nišu iduće godine pa....

A sad sličke...Prvo gosti i domaći..

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I ono glavno...

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Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: PELE on 06-11-2011, 23:47:19
Било је одлично, видимо се следеће године!  :cheers
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: djnik on 07-11-2011, 01:13:41
Cestitke organizatorima, ucesnicima i nagradjenima!
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: LZ-BTA on 07-11-2011, 10:04:34
Želeo bih da izrazim svoju zahvalnost organizatorima i sve naše srpske prijatelje za veliku gostoljubivost i atmosfera . Sve je bilo super. Želim da se izvinim u ime kluba Scalemodels-BG za sprovođenje član naše grupe. Preduzeli smo mere protiv toga i nadam se da ovaj presedan ne bi trebalo da pokvari naše dugoročne odnose. Hvala vam na svemu živi i zdravi - opet sledeće godine! Hvala drugari!

Pozdrav iz Bugarske :

Aleksander Nenov
zamenik predsednika
Klub Scalemodels -BG
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: mrkva on 07-11-2011, 10:33:24
Cestitke za dobro odrađeno takmicenje. Moze li koja slika vise onog AB 212 MUPa Srbije koji se vini ja njednoj slici iza An-26 i G-4  D:)
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Gusha on 07-11-2011, 13:37:37
Drugari iz Bugarske nemojte da se sekirate bey potrebe...Hteli smo svima da izadjemo u susret, da otvorimo kategorije, da svi budu zadovoljni, ali se uvek nadje neko ko smatra da je oštećen.Svi polazimo od toga da je naša maketa najbolja, ali ne mogu svi da budu prvi....Veliki pozdrav prijateljima iz Bugarske, hvala što ste došli u tolikom broju, i vidimo se dogodine kod vas u Sofiji...
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Gusha on 07-11-2011, 15:00:23
Axm, umalo da zaboravim, naime jedan član niškog kluba se požalio na slike, naime vidi se navodno na par fotografija da navodno kupuje robu, (makete)  kod poznatog dilera, (prodavca).Pa sam bio prinuđen da korigujem fotke....Nije u redu da pravimo čoveku svađu u kući i razvod braka....U našem je interesu da niko ne strada...Unapred se izvinjavamo što smo kačili kompromitujući materijal....Evo korigovanih fotografija...

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Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Profa on 07-11-2011, 15:52:43
Da, ovako se nema pojma ko je ko ;D :doh :lol
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: milogor_strashni on 07-11-2011, 16:35:32
pa da, ne ide da covek strada ni kriv ni duzan.

elem, svaka cast za takmicenje, nisam prisustvovao ali po ovome sto sam video, imalo je sta da se vidi

Pozdrav,
Milan
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: pekar on 08-11-2011, 03:11:58
Quote from: Gusha on 07-11-2011, 15:00:23
Axm, umalo da zaboravim, naime jedan član niškog kluba se požalio na slike, naime vidi se navodno na par fotografija da navodno kupuje robu, (makete)  kod poznatog dilera, (prodavca).Pa sam bio prinuđen da korigujem fotke....Nije u redu da pravimo čoveku svađu u kući i razvod braka....U našem je interesu da niko ne strada...Unapred se izvinjavamo što smo kačili kompromitujući materijal....Evo korigovanih fotografija...

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/Gusha/Takmicenje%202011/Takmicenje2011112.jpg) (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/Gusha/Takmicenje%202011/Takmicenje2011111.jpg) (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/Gusha/Takmicenje%202011/Takmicenje2011113.jpg) 
:hahaha :hahaha :hahaha :hahaha :hahaha :hahaha :hahaha :hahaha :super :super :super :super :super :super
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: milanco on 08-11-2011, 10:10:56
Hvala svima koji su bili i drago mi je sto ste se lepo proveli. Ocekujemo Vas i naredne godine u jos vecem broju.
Pozdrav
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: capritim on 08-11-2011, 11:36:29
Hteo bih da se zahvalim organizatoru na lepo provedenom vremenu
i odličnoj atmosferi, u ime kragujevačke ekipe.

Pozdrav i hvala !
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: airbamby on 08-11-2011, 14:06:49
Bilo je jako lepo ponovo videti maketare u tolikom broju.
Hvala organizatorima na gostoprimstvu i sve pohvale za organizaciju.
:cheers
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: sezan on 08-11-2011, 17:35:57
Hvala Nislijama na gostoprimstvu ,bilo je odlicno!
:cheers
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Momcha on 08-11-2011, 20:30:47
Evo i ja da se oglasim sa malim zakasnjenjem.Kako sam pre takmicenja i posle imao dosta obaveza na poslu
nisam stigo da i ja nesto napisem.

Takmicenje je po nasem utisku uspesno odrzano.Zahvalio bih se svim takmicarima
koji su nas pocastvovali svojim prisustvom, kako iz zemlje tako i iz inostranstva.Atmosfera je bila odlicna,
fenomenalna radionica Kamila Feliksa Sztarbala.Posebno bih se zahvalio kolegama iz Bugarske koji su nam pomogli
i pri ocenjivanju modela, tako da smo ove godine pored takmicara iz drugih zemalja, po prvi put imali i sudije za sve ponudjene
kategorije iz inostranstva.Nadam se da ce ova tradicijia da se nastavi i na buducim takmicenjima  ;D.

Jos jednom bih zeleo da naglasim da je InScale.org podrzao nase takmicenje kako u vidu nagrada i reklame (hvala Edi ;) ), tako i
u ucescu Kamila Feliksa Sztarbala,firmama Kagero & DOA Trackpads paints i naravno Misku iz Svajcarske koji je i
ove godine obezbedio specijalnu nagradu za maladje takmicare.

Jos jednom pozdrav i hvala svima na poseti, sledece godine bice jos bolje  ;D

Momcha
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: drakii on 11-11-2011, 00:28:12
Eto , hvala na hvala, josh vishe hvala na poseti, uz zaljenje ukoliko je iko iole nezadovoljan, iako su mi rekli da se nije rodio ko je svem svet posolio, a da niti solimo, niti da nam svima nama drugi sole, da ovaj hobi vole i odsustvo ubuduche sebi ne dozvole. Elem, iako je ovo solo hobi, na takmichenju lepo drushtvo dobi, nije li to onaj lepshi deo hobija, ljudski je i pomalo zaboravljeno kada se daje, pre svega sve od sebe da se ovekovechi i deo  istorije i sam tim deo svih nas , nashih predaka i nashi potomaka, iako lichno nisam mnogo doprineo organizovanju ovog takmichenja, kao dugogodishnji predsednik Nishkog kluba vam se zaqhvaljujem na lepoj poseti, prelepim maketama, a pre svega podmlatku, buuu, prvu sam maketu napravio pre......, dogodine che da bude pedeset godina, beshe to neki bajati Frog, Bristol Beaufort, nazalost nije dozive da sacheka jubilej, ali narednih nekoliko jesu, otom potom, a  javno se zahvaljujem Gushi, Kerberu, Momchi, Bokiju i ostalima na organizaciji i ralizaciji ovog u skromna vremena, lepog takmichena i naporima da iz godine u godinu bude sve bolje i uspeshnije, a pomogli bi i oni koji nisu doshli, te ih ponovo molim da nas ne zaobilaze, pokushachemo da im bude drago da dodju, zahvaljujem se i gostima iz inostranstva koji su poprilichno doprineli da ovo bude vrlo dobro takmichenje,m to je moje vidjenje deshavanja, a sada pozdrav i hvala svima, osim pojedinim urodjenicima,  :naughty, mislim Nishlijama koji nishu doshli, veliki pozdrav
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: lord sir giga on 11-11-2011, 11:22:25
Pa dobro draki uz G-2 i Mig-21 F-13 mozes da stanes i ti, duga je to karijera od 50 leta, svaka cast.
Radovi su fenomenalni, svaka cast takmicarima, organizatorima, mozda se vidimo dogodine ako ne budem radio.
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Sandman on 13-11-2011, 22:09:10
Sa malim zakašnjenjem evo prvog dela slika iz Niša od BMK ekipe...

http://bmk.ipmssrbija.com/?p=2132
Title: Re: Nis 05.11.2011
Post by: Sandman on 19-11-2011, 11:48:27
Na BMK web prezentaciji postavljeni su i drugi i treći deo slika sa takmičenja:

http://bmk.ipmssrbija.com/?p=2141
http://bmk.ipmssrbija.com/?p=2144