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Kampanje => 2012. godina => Završene kampanje => "100 godina srpskog vojnog vazduhoplovstva 1912-2012" => Topic started by: Warhawk on 06-05-2012, 11:28:58

Title: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera [GOTOVO]
Post by: Warhawk on 06-05-2012, 11:28:58
Jedna od maketa za izložbu 100 godina Vazduhoplovstva:

Unutrašnjost prilično (ustvari skroz) siromašna, pa sam ubacio malo ramova, napravio sedište i još štošta tu... Prvi pokušaj simulacije teksture drveta ulanom bojom (Burnt Umber)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2202.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2202.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2214.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2214.jpg)

Takodje sam sredio izlazne ivice i popunio rupe od kalupne igle po krilima...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2216.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2216.jpg)

Ostatak će uglavnom biti out-of-the-box zbog faksa i dostupnog vremena...
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: zamorano on 07-05-2012, 14:23:20
Uf, ovo je toliko sitno da će moći da se gleda samo jednim okom ;). Trud za desetku, pažljivo pratim dalje radove! :super
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Profa on 07-05-2012, 14:52:56
Trebalo je da uzmeš Eduarda, inače svaka čast za dosadašnji rad :super, sem jedne greškice - prednja bočna ploča (prema motoru, ovo gde je tebi prednji splet sajli) je drvena, :jok platnena
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Warhawk on 07-05-2012, 21:59:23
Obzirom da maketu ne radim za sebe, i da se ne razumem u WWI baš toliko (i da nisam ni bio u obavezi ništa da mu doradjujem), ja sam zadovoljan   ;D
Za drvenu ploču sam video na fotkama, ali sam hteo što pre da obojim i spakujem trup...
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Goran A. on 07-05-2012, 22:41:20
Odlicno za sada, bez primedbi.
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Warhawk on 09-05-2012, 12:33:06
Obzirom da naleću neki gadni ispiti, aj da što pre završavam ovo...
Očistio sam upornice i izbušio rupice za sajle. Bilo je dosta gitovanja na trupu...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2218.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2218.jpg)

Sklapanje "na suvo", čisto da vidim dal' će se  posle uklopiti... treba još malo smanjiti upornice, al tu smo negde
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2219.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2219.jpg)
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Warhawk on 11-05-2012, 15:57:37
Dobra stvar pa se dve najtamnije boje ne dodiruju. To znači da se mogu isprskati u isto vreme...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2220.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2220.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2223.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2223.jpg)

I kad se skinu maske...
Komplikovana kamuflaža? ni najmanje, samo treba krenuti od najsvetlije boje i redom do najtamnije...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2228.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2228.jpg)
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Sandman on 11-05-2012, 16:34:33
Dobro izgleda kamuflaža do sada.

Što se tiče višebojnih varijanti, nije neophodno da se kreće od najsvetlije boje - sve zavisi od komplikovanosti i rasporeda fleka.

Zgodno je krenuti i od onih fleka koje su "na vrhu", jer se one maskiranjem poklapaju, tako da se na kraju nakon svih maskiranih polja zapravo farba ono što je osnovna boja na kamuflaži.
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: zamorano on 11-05-2012, 16:37:53
Au, a prekjuče bila gola plastika... Stvarno ga rutinski delješ, majstorski. (http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_dance.gif)
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Profa on 11-05-2012, 17:22:42
Brzopotezno... Opet, ipak, ja sa zamerkom - nisu iste boje na platnu i na metalu/drvetu - boje za platno su imale u sebi 30ak % aluminijumskog praha, pa su delovale mnogo svetlije. Ovo važi za sve boje sem crne...
Na ovom primeru se vidi razlika (na rezervoaru na sredini gornjeg krila):
http://aviation-le-havre.over-blog.com/photo-1574250-spad-XIII-Le-Bourget_JPG.html
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Warhawk on 11-05-2012, 22:45:44
Mislio sam da simuliram razliku glos i mat lakom...
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: tripko on 11-05-2012, 22:53:34
Quote from: warhawk on 11-05-2012, 22:45:44
Mislio sam da simuliram razliku glos i mat lakom...

To je sasvim normalno i logicno resenje.
Ovo je spad VII ca iz muzeja u Parizu, Bougert.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/tripko/pariz%202006/th_IMG_5539.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/tripko/pariz%202006/IMG_5539.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/tripko/pariz%202006/th_IMG_5536.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/tripko/pariz%202006/IMG_5536.jpg)
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Profa on 12-05-2012, 00:25:28
Sorry, Tripko, pogrešno poređenje, ovde pričamo o 5obojnoj francuskoj kamuflaži...
Ujedno, na ovim fotkama koje si postavio je avion star 95 godina, a i osvetljenje je malo čudno, pa je boja potpuno promenila tonalitet i otišla u rozikastu:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/SPAD_VII_Guynemer_Le_Bourget_01.JPG)
(http://www.usaww1.com/images/500x375/WWI_Planes_33s.jpg)

Da se ispravim, u originalnim bojama nije bilo 30, nego 42% aluminijumskog praha.
Warhawk, u svakom slučaju nećeš mnogo pogrešiti, s'obzirom na razmeru. Ja sam to uradio tako što sam u originalnu boju dodao 40% srebrne, i osećaj je potpuno drugačiji nego sjajno/mat:
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa189/jaka013/projekti/EDU_Spad_S-XIII/th_Spad_230.jpg) (http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa189/jaka013/projekti/EDU_Spad_S-XIII/Spad_230.jpg) (http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa189/jaka013/projekti/EDU_Spad_S-XIII/th_Spad_233.jpg) (http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa189/jaka013/projekti/EDU_Spad_S-XIII/Spad_233.jpg)
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Goran A. on 12-05-2012, 23:19:25
Da li si siguran u 42%? To mi izgleda mnogo.
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Profa on 13-05-2012, 08:09:23
Iz istraživanja Alana Toelle-a i Dan San Abbotta; "...On original airframes there is 42% (by weight) aluminum powder added to dark green, light green, chocolate brown, beige and light yellow. None was added to the black. There are specific formulas for each color used in the manufacture of the Acellos Colored Dopes. This is covered in "Project Butterfly, Part 2, Cross and Cockade, Vol.13 No.2, pages 150-183..."
A evo i kako se to nekad radilo:
(http://www.wwi-n-plastic.com/Mypix/Orig/Spad/Levasseur.jpg)
Foto Stephen Lawson
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Warhawk on 13-05-2012, 10:38:05
Ja mislim da je to to... Maskirani samo metalni delovi i preprskani mešavinom gloss laka i malo braon boje...

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2234.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2234.jpg)
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Goran A. on 13-05-2012, 11:11:32
42% u odnosu na tezinu samo pigmenta. To menja stvar, pomislio sam da nije ukupne mase.
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Warhawk on 19-05-2012, 11:07:53
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2243.jpg)

Gotov Spadiša...
Posle dekala preprskan je mešavinom jako razredjenog mat laka sa par kapi braon boje, da bi dobio taj pomalo ofucani izgled (pogotovo se vidi na platnenim površinama)
Takodje sam napravio cevi izduva od medicinske igle, i vetrobran od parčeta vak-plastike.
Upornice su vezivane najlonom za pecanje debljine 0.08mm, osim tamo gde su išle udvojene. Njih sam pojednostavio i umesto njih vezao po jednu debljine 0.14mm
Ovo je jedna od nekoliko maketa iz perioda Srpske avijatike posebno uradjena za izložbu "Vek srpskog vojnog vazduhoplovstva u minijaturi" koju ćete moći da pogledate od danas u 18h u Muzeju vazduhoplovstva u Surčinu  ;)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2240.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2240.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2242.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2242.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2244.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2244.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2248.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2248.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2250.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2250.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2251.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2251.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2252.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2252.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2254.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2254.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2256.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2256.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2259.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2259.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/th_IMG_2261.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x31/warhawk_photo/makete/spadXIII/IMG_2261.jpg)
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: KuKLiNsKi on 19-05-2012, 11:18:31
odličan  :)
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Janjic on 19-05-2012, 13:23:07
Divan je  :love
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Miroslav Š. on 19-05-2012, 16:10:47
Мајсторија, нема шта. Веома леп рад :super
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Kerber on 19-05-2012, 17:24:56
Bravo!
Jako dopadljivo avionce...Sklopljeno i ofarbano ko bombonce! ;)
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: djos & filip on 19-05-2012, 21:24:30
Vise nego odlicno odradjeno.
Ne znam ovi avioni iz WWI me nekako uvek plase, nije ih lako odraditi iako imaju mnogo manji broj delova nego avioni iz WWII.
Uklopiti sve upornice kako treba i naravno meni nejtezi deo, utegnuti zatege.....zahtevaju dobru dozu majstorstva.
Ono sto sam zeleo da kazem je....bravo majstore :)

Veliki pozdrav
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Warhawk on 20-05-2012, 11:59:55
Hvala na komentarima.
Kod dvokrilaca je sve stvar planiranja... ako se unapred predvide sve sajle (rupe za njih) i redosled postavljanja upornica, neće biti veći broblem od jednokrilaca.
Title: Re: Revell 1/72 SPAD XIII C-1 Tadije Sondermajera
Post by: Goran A. on 23-05-2012, 23:50:29
Odlican kvik bild!