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Title: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 06-10-2008, 18:47:57

Evo mog novog projekta.Jos jedan messerschmitt.Pvaj avion cu raditi kao nocnog lovca.Evo slika do sada uradjenog.

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Sledi lakiranje.

Imam dva pitanja unutrost kod tockova da li treba da ide sa rlm 02,i drugo pitanje sta mi predlazete za izvlacenje linija panela.
Pozdrav svima

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Profa on 06-10-2008, 19:14:48

Linije panela izvuci nekom tamno/srednje sivom, kako bi se videla na crnoj podlozi ;)
Možda si i kabinu pre sklapanja mogao malo da izvučeš tušem ili nečim sličnim, deluje prilično sjajno... :-\

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Kerber on 06-10-2008, 19:30:26

unutrasnost kadica za tockove i kabina su kod ove verzije RLM02.
Svetlije sivo daj kao wash panela, ili probaj mekom HB olovkom...

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: GBU-10 on 06-10-2008, 19:32:24

dobro zapoceto,nocni ali i mocni kralj vazduha.

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: airbamby on 06-10-2008, 21:32:51

Lepo ovo izgleda Aleksicu,samo napred...
Sto rekose kolege mogao si uraditi wash kokpita...
Jel ima neka slicka profila?

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 20-10-2008, 17:17:32

Evo slika posle drugog sloja laka
ne znam sta da radim u vezi silveringa(ako sam lepo rekao) tj odsjaja nalepnica,ne znam da li ce na kraju mat lak da to ubije ili sam to vec trebao da dobijem sa sjajnim lakom.Mozda bi trebao jos jednom da predjem sa sjajnim lakom.Sledeci korak su linije pnael.
Evo aviona

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Pozdrav svima

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Dada on 20-10-2008, 18:28:23

Tzv silvering je posledica ostatka vazduha pod dekalom... Probaj kada zalepis dekal da ga pritisnes na par sekundi nekom krpicom... Ja bar tako radim i nemam problema... Jel koristis neki decal solution? Ako nemas, postoji kombinacija sa sircetom...

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 20-10-2008, 18:51:35

Koristio sam Mark setter imam i Mark softveri kada sam lepio decale koristio sam stapice za usi da istera vazduh iz decala

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Dada on 20-10-2008, 18:54:47

Uzmes krpicu i kada pozicioniras dekal, lepo ga pritisnes da legne... To sa stapicem ces uspeti vremenom kada se izvezbas.

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 20-10-2008, 19:13:53

A sta mislis sta je najbolje sada da uradim da ublazim odsjaj?

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Dada on 20-10-2008, 19:17:25

Heh, stvarno ne znam... Nije mi se do sada u toj meri pojavljivao silvering... Mada ja cesto iseckam dekal, tj. totalno skinem onaj prozirni film sa njega... Mozda da izbuskas dekal vrhom ciode pa da ga premazes solushnom... Sacekaj da vidis sta ce drugi reci... Nemoj odmah da se hvatas igle... Prosvrljaj po forumu, negde je vec pricano o ovoj pojavi...

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Kerber on 20-10-2008, 22:59:25

Aha..da nema silveringa, bio bi sasvim OK.
Probaj da busis decal-film, pa da tapkas Mr Softener/Setter...
Mada, posto je velika maketa, a samim tim i decali, probaj da novim ostrim skalpelom polagano, bez veceg pritiska, opseces prazan film oko slova i krstova. To si trebao i da uradis pre postavljanja decala (ja ne verujem puno Revellovim i Academijevim decalima, a u zadnje vreme ni Tamiya ne stoji bas najboje... D:), pa otsecam sve sto se kasnije moze pojaviti kao neprijatnost).

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Goran A. on 21-10-2008, 08:23:26

Koiko vidim nisi lakirao avion (ili nisi dovoljno)pre lepljenja dekala. Ako lepis na mat farbu mora da se pojavi silvering.

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 21-10-2008, 11:55:19

Lakirao sam MM sjajnim akrilinim lakom,i farba je akrilna MM,mozda nisam dovoljno lakirao,probacv na sledecoj maketi,pa cu videti sta se desava!

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Goran A. on 21-10-2008, 15:21:48

Vidim ja da nije dovoljno. Jesi li siguran da je to bas sjajni lak?

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 21-10-2008, 20:41:11

Siguran sam 100 %

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Goran A. on 21-10-2008, 21:59:21

Ako si previse razredio, onda bi ti trebalo vise slojeva. Razredjivac nekim lakovima smanji sjajnost, trebalo je preprskati jos par puta.

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Dada on 21-10-2008, 22:06:55

Maketa nakon gloss laka treba da se sija kao kola posle voska.. Tako ces najbolje znati dal' je dovoljno. Ne stedi na lakovima veruj mi vredi... Ja bas dosta trosim laka i to MM (nitro), nemam nikakvih problema sa istim, niti sa dekalima. cuk, cuk :)

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 21-10-2008, 22:12:55

Evo sada idem da prelakiram jos jednom i manje cu da razredim

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: airbamby on 22-10-2008, 00:33:49

Hajd' i ja pametnjakovic mladji da pametujem...
Sale rece da si koristio MM akril lak,koliko si ga razredio?
Ja njega gotovo i da ne razredjujem dodam samo par kapi reda radi vise iz navike nego zbog stvarne potrebe.Otprilike na 1ml 4 kapi iz boce sa razredjivacem MM

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Goran A. on 22-10-2008, 08:22:32

Quote from: alaleksic on 21-10-2008, 22:12:55
Evo sada idem da prelakiram jos jednom i manje cu da razredim

Dzabe ti da sad lakiras kad si stavio dekale na mat podlogu. Skini dekale, lakiraj ponovo i stavi druge.

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 22-10-2008, 18:53:48

Za Bambija : razredio sam odnosom 2/10.
Za Papa_bear : jel prvi sloj sjajnog laka treba da bude sto jaci ili ovaj posle nalepnica.

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Dada on 22-10-2008, 19:12:46

Ma samo sipaj i ne misli :) Gledaj da ti je maketa fino pokrivena i da se sija to je sve. Samo odokativno :)

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 22-10-2008, 19:14:06

Ali kada pre nalepnica ili posle?

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: airbamby on 22-10-2008, 19:15:48

I pre i posle
al vaznije je pre

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 22-10-2008, 19:18:36

Sta cete kad ne znam ali dobro tu ste Vi da mi pomognete i savetujete.
Hvala Vam !

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 25-10-2008, 18:04:25

Evo izvukao sam nekako linije panela,ovo je drugi put da to radim pa tako da ne zamerite na kvalitetu mog rada,
na fotkama se vidi gde nisam ocistio,ali sam to naknadno uradio
pozdrav svima

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Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: airbamby on 25-10-2008, 18:30:25

Mozda si uradio i najbolji wash na svetu ali fotke su ti toliko mutne da je ne moguce ni ono sto znam da je uradjeno da se vidi,hajde probaj da malo bolje fotkas...
Umes ti i bolje D:)

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 25-10-2008, 20:43:36

Evo novih fotki:

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Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Goran A. on 25-10-2008, 20:50:00

Pa dobro, malo si ublazio silvering.

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: airbamby on 25-10-2008, 23:23:53

Lepo Sale,Sto AGO2 rece silvering je malo ublazen,wash se na fotkama i ne vidi preterano verujem da je uzivo bolje...
Samo guraj zanimljiva je ovo ptica...

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Kerber on 27-10-2008, 13:21:28

Opseci prazan decal unutar krstova..velika je povrsina pa se dosta vidi...tu je ostao silvering...nije tesko a deluje.
Dobro je generalno za sad. Samo to mi nekako "bode" oci.

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Profa on 27-10-2008, 13:28:04

Ublažio silvering, lepo i nenametljivo odradio wash... Poslušaj još Baneta a uz to na kraju odradi malkico prljanja, i ptičica će biti boli glava :)
Sve bolje i bolje, samo napred!! I ne stidi se da zapišeš neki savet, za ubuduće ;)

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 27-10-2008, 14:57:40

Kada bih isekao decale kao sto Bane kaze jel bi trebao da skinem nekako unutrasnjost,strah me da ne zeznem nesto,ali sve u rok sluzbe sto bi se reklo.

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: Profa on 27-10-2008, 15:16:12

Što se mene tiče bolje je da ne diraš dekale nego da, kao što te znamo, slučajno nešto zezneš pa kreneš maketu ispočetka ;)
Šalu na stranu, mislim da nećeš moći recneš dekal a da pri tom ne oštetiš podlogu, pogotovo što si i preko prešao lakom pa se sve lepo učvrstilo...
Ne zaboravi da i blic dodaje efekat svetlucanja dekala... Nisam ga video (to ti najbolje znaš), ali valjda deluje slabije u prirodi... :-\

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 27-10-2008, 15:47:53

Profo sada treba i mat da uradim mislim da ce biti jos bolje.
Bolje je u prirodi.

Title: Re: Messerscmitt Bf 109 E 4/7 Revell 1:48
Post by: alaleksic on 02-11-2008, 20:53:04

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MK radionica => Projekti u radu => Avioni, helikopteri,... => Topic started by: alaleksic on 06-10-2008, 18:47:57