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Title: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 20-12-2008, 20:27:37
Evo i "preview" i drugog mog uchesnika u ovoj kampanji - ovog puta vazdushna mashina :D

Izabrao sam Academyjev P-47D bubbletop u 1/72 - onaj sa oznakama "Eileen"....

Za ovaj P-47D je zanimljivo to shto je bio farban RAF-ovim bojama a ne USAF, tako da sastavnicu ignorishem po pitanju kamuflaze i farbanja kokpita ;)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day00-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day00-01.jpg)

evo slike delova....

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day00-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day00-02.jpg)

dekali - videcemo kako se ponashaju u praksi - belo-crne shtrafte na zadnjem delu trupa cu farbati, a prednji deo (shahovsko polje) cu koristiti date dekale... u svakom sluchaju ako zatreba koristicu vec isprobanu hemiju (Microscale Set & Sol, Gunze Softener, sirce, vruca voda,....)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day00-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day00-03.jpg)

rezinski QuickBoost setovi - korektan propeler i spiner + mitraljeske cevi (zabushene)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day00-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day00-04.jpg)

ecovani setovi - Eduard zoom set za kokpit i Extratech set sa eksternim detaljima (poklopci tochkova i slichni detalji)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day00-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day00-05.jpg)

radovi ce verovatno uskoro zapocheti - za sada sam samo okachio ovu "najavu"... ;)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: airbamby on 20-12-2008, 23:11:29
Lepo i bogato sa dodatcima...
Bice prava milina posmatrati rad na njemu 0:)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Gusha on 21-12-2008, 09:18:16
Juce smo pricali onjemu, al cekaj samo jos da nadjem broj FSM u kome je lik razvalio Tamijinu maketu iste razmere i seme.Sacekaj da ga konsultujemo oko farbanja kokpita i gondola tockova!
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: drakii on 21-12-2008, 11:36:59
Uradi bre Tamiya T'bolta, pozdrav
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 21-12-2008, 16:02:26
imam i Revellov P-47D, ali njega planiram za neki nash primerak ;)

a u shteku sam imao dva ova Academyja (drugi je isto bubbletop ali sa drugim oznakama), pa reko' da se "potroshi" ;) :D
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: medico on 21-12-2008, 16:06:47
sto rece Gusa , sacekaj ja se ne bih zaletao sa Britanskom bojom za farbanje kokpita !
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Kerber on 21-12-2008, 18:46:54
Kokpit i farbanje sam okacio vec u nekom odgovoru nekome ko je radio "Jug"...
Prrema tome, pogledni, a ako ne moz' naci, kazi da ti posaljem slike - opasne fotke sa objasnjenjem...
Nije britanska green unutra, vec americke interior green ili bronze reen, zavisi od proizvodjaca doticnog modela.
Samo ce za "Eilen" da budu boje spolja - britanska svetlo siva dole, i njihova zelena "ozgo"....Cak je neko negde napisao, na Hyperscale, mislim, da je moguce da je odozdo bio i sky ..pa sad...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 21-12-2008, 19:20:21
da da, za spolja idu kombinacije RAF Dark Green i RAF Sky ... a za interrior me juche Cherny zbunio sa RAF Interrior green  :-\

nishta provericemo josh pa ce onda da se krene sa bojadisanjem :D dotle mogu lagano da sklapam kokpit - ionako kokpit farbam tek kad sve sastavim od delova ;)

prostor za tochkove + unutrashnji motorski deo ide standardno u USAF prajmer - chromate yellow?  ::)

bice ovo zanimljiva maketa za rad - pravi izazov me cheka kod poklopaca za tochkove - prave se od eceraja i to savijanjem na debljinu poklopca - bice pipavo ali nadam se da cu se izboriti sa time ;)

takodje samo mi treba mali podsetnik na koju meru beshe treba da se skrate noge stajnog trapa kod Academca?

svi saveti i reference dobrodoshli ;)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: cherny on 21-12-2008, 19:57:25
Moja greska juce, sad sam proverio, unutra je Bronze Green, gore je British Dark Green, a dole Sky. Na zalost, nisam nasao egzaktne podatke za unutrasnjost kutija stajnog trapa. Nema nigde nikakve napomene da su prefarbavane, tako da mislim da je OK da ih obojis Zinc Chromate Yellow. Sto se tice nogu, kao sto rekoh na topicu o najboljem P-47 u 1/72, od tacke ulaska u krilo do sredine tocka oko 2cm za opterecen Thud. Jos par napomena za Eileen, tacna podvarijanta je 28-RA, ima Curtiss propeler i avion nema podkrilne nosace.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 21-12-2008, 20:25:29
Nije bilo potrebe da se prefarbava enterijer, naredjenje je vazilo za kamuflazu odnosno invazione pruge.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 21-12-2008, 20:35:49
OK, thnx Cherny - Quickbosst set sam bash i birao ovaj sa Curtiss propelerom, a shto se tiche podkrilnih nosacha, znachi otpadaju i oni za tankove za gorivo?

e sad... Bronze green.... prema humbrol tablici to je Hu75, a prema FS tabeli je to FS34094 za koju ne mogu da nadjem pandan u maketarskim bojama...  :-\

shta preporuchujesh za ovu boju? mixovanje neko ili moze neka slichna nijansa da se iskoristi?
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: cherny on 21-12-2008, 21:16:34
Sto se tice nosaca, nema nista pod krilima. A Bronze Green sam svojevremeno kupio neki MM Autentik, tako da nemam pojma sta odgovara, uglavnom moze da se mesa nesto...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 21-12-2008, 21:23:25
vallejo 975 akrilna
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: cherny on 21-12-2008, 21:36:17
Evo detalja o bojenju Thunderolta, sa IPMS Stockholm:

Surviving P-47s and contemporary photos show a dark green shade in the cockpit, similar or possibly equal to Dull Dark Green.

According to the Erection and Maintenance manuals, the fuselage decking under the bubble canopy of the P-47D from the windscreen to the area aft of the cockpit armour plating, was to be painted Dark Olive Drab 41, the same colour being specified for the anti-glare area of the forward fuselage. Armour plating was specified to the same colour as the interior finish of the cockpit.

According to factory instructions, the fuselage decking inside the canopy on bubbletop Thunderbolts was to be painted in Olive Drab, with the inside of the canopy framing in flat black. The rear armour plate in the cockpit was to be painted to match the cockpit interior colour.

Interiors of P47 aircraft cowlings were natural metal. The aluminium in this area was anodised giving a darker and very dull greyish appearance. The engine firewall was left unpainted. Engine mounts were primed in Zinc Chromate Green.

All other interior surfaces of the fuselage with exception of the firewall were finished in Zinc Chromate Yellow. This included also wheel wells, undercarriage covers and armament compartments in the wings.

Undercarriage legs were painted Dark Olive Drab 41 on camouflaged aircraft. This practice continued over to at least some natural metal machines. At some point in production the requirement seems to have changed to allow an Aluminium lacquer finish to be used.


Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 21-12-2008, 21:49:31
za ovu Valejo 975 nadjoh u njihovom katalogu da je to ekvivalentno Humbrol 195 + satin lak.... a Hu195 je jako tamna zelena boja...

a u drugom Valejo katalogu nadjoh da je FS34094 = Hu91 = RAL6012 = Revell 67....  ::)

zapravo, kakav kolorit ima Bronze Green? Nemam predstavu uopshte  :-[
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: cherny on 21-12-2008, 22:15:02
(http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/03/images/isaksson_p-47drazorback_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: R2D2 on 22-12-2008, 09:51:54
Hu88 + ravan pod (nije rebrasti kao na prethodnoj slici)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 22-12-2008, 09:56:29
Mislim da preterujete oko nijansiranja. Prajmeri su se mesali ali se ponekad nisu pridrzavali tacne recepture pa nijansa mora da bezi. Sama pigmentacija sastojaka za prajmer je varirala tako da je sasvim dovoljno uraditi priblizno. Uostalom nijedna nijansa se ne poklapa sa trazenim prajmerom, zato Sandmane preseci i iznenadi nas izdetaljisanim kokpitom.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Kerber on 22-12-2008, 10:40:59
R2D2 je u pravu, a evo i malo fotki da vidite kao izgleda...

(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/th_C-1.jpg) (http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/?action=view&current=C-1.jpg) (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/th_C-8.jpg) (http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/?action=view&current=C-8.jpg) (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/th_C-6.jpg) (http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/?action=view&current=C-6.jpg) (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/th_C-5.jpg) (http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/?action=view&current=C-5.jpg) (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/th_C-4.jpg) (http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/?action=view&current=C-4.jpg) (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/th_C-3.jpg) (http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/?action=view&current=C-3.jpg) (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/th_C-2.jpg) (http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/kerber_2006/?action=view&current=C-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 23-12-2008, 10:38:19
gledajuci ove slike shto je Bane okachio, nekako mi najslichnije deluje MM 1764 - Euro Dark Green - taman ima taj plavkasto-zelenkasti ton (a i imam je u shteku  0:)) tako da cu nju iskoristiti za kokpit....

a sad za "rebarca" na podu videcu josh.... ne znam ni koliko se sve to vidi kad se spoje polutke trupa poshto Thunderbolt ima jako duboku kadicu  :-\ ali pashce eceraj unutra kako god da se okrene :P :D
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 23-12-2008, 14:12:23
U sustini to je samo prica je li to Republic ili Curtiss, od toga zavisi nijansa.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 23-12-2008, 19:00:10
shto se tiche detalja u vidu rebrastog poda u kokpitu, nadjoh u knjizi "In detail & scale" podatak da je pochev od verzije D-30-RE pod bio ravan, a poshto je "Eileen" bila D-28-RA, pod treba da bude rebrast, tako da bih ga ostavio tako kako je dat - uz dodake od eceraja...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: R2D2 on 23-12-2008, 21:01:55
Pochevshi od D-27-RA svi imaju ravan pod.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 23-12-2008, 21:45:39
hm, rebrasti pod se po nekim izvorima pojavljuje od verzije D-27, a negde od D-30 :-\
nishta, najlakshe je oshmirglati te detalje, ali, barem sam siguran da "Eileen" nije "Curtiss-built" Thunderbolt - text sa Wikipedie:

Even with two Republic plants rolling out the P-47, the USAAF still was not getting as many Thunderbolts as they wanted, consequently, an arrangement was made with Curtiss to build the aircraft under license in a plant in Buffalo, New York. Most of the Curtiss Thunderbolts were intended for use in advanced flight training. The Curtiss aircraft were all designated P-47G, and a "-CU" suffix was used to distinguish them from other production.

Serijski broj Eileen je 42-28878, a D-28-RA su Thunderbolti sklapani u fabrici u Evansvilu - serijski brojevi 42-28439 do 42-29466...) shto ce reci da pripada seriji sklopljenoj od strane Ripablika, pa onda ide i ona Dull Dark Green za kokpit, odnosno verovatno MM1764....
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Hawkeye on 23-12-2008, 22:22:35
AUUU kako je uradjena kabina  :o :o :o !
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Dada on 23-12-2008, 23:28:44
Daj bre Srki! Dve stranice topika, a nigde slika u radu?!
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 24-12-2008, 08:23:08
Quote from: papa_bear on 23-12-2008, 23:28:44
Daj bre Srki! Dve stranice topika, a nigde slika u radu?!

pa i ovo je rad... samo nauchno-istrazivachki :P

radovi ce uskoro krenuti... manjak slobodnog vremena za konkretno maketarenje...  ::)
pa dotle da proverim detalje za ono shto mi treba u samom pochetku ...  8)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Profa on 25-12-2008, 01:55:30
Bronze Green = Humbrol 75
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 06-01-2009, 20:05:55
Dexy's Midnight Runners davne 1982. gpdine otpevashe pesmicu "Come on Eileen", pa hajde da i ja kazem to isto i da konachno i zvanichno zapochnem ovu maketu :D :D :D

danas su krenuli prvi radovi - kokpit sa svim mogucim dodacima od eceraja...

Eduardova instrument tabla je dobila dve "kvachice", film sa instrumentima je ofarban u belo sa zadnje strane, i to sad cheka da se zalepi na deo iz makete....

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day01-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day01-01.jpg)

desni bok kokpita je dobio svoj ecovani deo...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day01-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day01-02.jpg)

kao i levi bok...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day01-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day01-03.jpg)

obzirom da je kadica kokpita u ovom avionu jako duboka, detalji se na kraju slabije vide, tako da sam reshio da se ne bakcem sa shmirglanjem poda, vec da ga ostavim ovako rebrastog... instrument tabla je dobila dva dela na spoju sa podom koji se verovatno nece videti ali lepo izgledaju pa sam ih stavio :P :D takodje su stavljene dve plochice ispod sedishta, a sedishte je dobilo pojaseve za vezivanje pilota od eceraja...

ostaje samo da se na instrument tablu nalepi ecovani deo instrumenata i upravljachka palica da se zalepi na svoje mesto.. no to sve cheka prajmer i farbanje....

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day01-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day01-04.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day01-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day01-05.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day01-06.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day01-06.jpg)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 08-01-2009, 19:41:39
kokpit ofarban u MM Euro Dark Green...
kaishevi ofarbani u dve boje - donji deo kaishevana sedishtu su tamnije nijanse a gornji na naslonu su neshto a la "off-white"... te nijanse videh u referentnim slikama...
ecovana instrument tabla ofarbana u matt crno, gloss lakom zalepljen film sa instrumentima na zadnju stranu te ecovane table, a zatim u instrumente kapnuto malo gloss laka...
pod drajbrashovan sa aluminium bojom...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day02-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day02-01.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day02-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day02-02.jpg)

bokovi farbani shodno raspolozivim referentnim slikama, neke detalje sam ofarbao proizvoljno....

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day02-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day02-03.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day02-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day02-04.jpg)

samo josh upravljachka palica da se zalepi, i da se zafarbaju sa unutrashnje strane trupa delovi koji su ishli u Chromate Yellow, i trup se sklapa....
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Profa on 08-01-2009, 20:09:50
Fino i precizno, samo napred!
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 18-01-2009, 17:50:50
Posle konsultacija sa Chernyjem, reshio sam da unutrashnji deo kapotaza motora odradim u boji metala, a ne sa Chromate Yellow...

Koristio sam MM metalajzere - osnova aluminijum pa onda blagi oversprej Burnt metal i Exhaust... nakon poliranja (buffovanja) to izgleda ovako...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-01.jpg)

"prechaga" u nosu je isprskana u aluminijum i "bafovana"

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-02.jpg)

motor odradjen sa gloss crnom podlogom pa zatim raznim nijansama metalajzera... reduktor je naprskan sa MM Dark Ghost Grey...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-03.jpg)

unutrashnji bokovi trupa takodje naprskani sa metalajzerom Aluminijum...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-04.jpg)

kapotaz nakon lepljenja "prechage"....

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-05.jpg)

i finalni izgled unutrashnjosti nakon naprskavanja "sealera" tj. laka za metalajzere...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-06.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-06.jpg)

a ovako izgleda nosni deo, tj "zid" iz motora... Aluminijum, pa Burnt metal + Exhaust....

deluje jacha granulacija spreja jer sam slike propustio kroz sharpen filter u Photoshopu... malo je blaze u stvarnosti...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-07.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-07.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-08.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-08.jpg)

trup sklopljen, zagitovan gde je trebalo i ishmirglan...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-09.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-09.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-10.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-10.jpg)

detalji kokpita nakon sklapanja sa trupom...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-11.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-11.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-12.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-12.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day03-13.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day03-13.jpg)

slede radovi na krilima...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 18-01-2009, 19:20:43
Veri gud! Sta kaze Cherny za te kapotaze zasto nisu bili farbani?
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 18-01-2009, 19:29:21
Quote from: AG02 on 18-01-2009, 19:20:43
Veri gud! Sta kaze Cherny za te kapotaze zasto nisu bili farbani?

thnx.. ne zna se josh tachno, ali kako reche, po nekim novim istrazivanjima izgleda da su otkrili da je unutrashnjost kapotaza bila u boji metala tj. aluminijum (koji sam ja dodushe malo vishe potamneo sa exhaustom i burnt metal  ::)) ... e sad jedino ne znam da li ovo vazi samo za Bubbletop ili i za Razorback verzije...  :-\

u svakom sluchaju, nek ide ovako, a iskoristih priliku da testiram metalajzere :D

napomena samo jedna ovde - desilo se i meni na josh jednom projektu (koji trenutno radim paralelno sa Eileen) da sloj metalajzera naprskan preko prethodnog sloja metalajzera napravi efekat ispucale zemlje - izgleda da je fora da mora da se prethodni sloj dobro osushi, pa tek onda prskanje narednog sloja.... metalajzeri su na nitro bazi pa je moguce da je to bio problem...  :-\

srecom, na Eileen je sve proshlo ok...  ;)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: cherny on 18-01-2009, 19:51:27
Skupljeno iz mnogobrojnih izvora, sumirano ovako:
The 1944. Erection and Maintenance Instructions covering P-47C, G and D state that interior of P-47 aircraft cowlings were to be finished in natural metal. The aluminium in this area was anodised giving a darker and very dull greyish appearance. The engine firewall was left unpainted. Engine mounts were primed in Zinc Chromate Green. All other interior surfaces of the fuselage with exception of the firewall were finished in Zinc Chromate Yellow. This included also wheel wells, undercarriage covers and armament compartments in the wings.

Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Profa on 18-01-2009, 20:19:54
Quote from: cherny on 18-01-2009, 19:51:27
The aluminium in this area was anodised giving a darker and very dull greyish appearance.
Po ovome, Srki, ispade da tvoj kapotaž nije trebalo da bude 'bafovan' nego suprotno - matiran... S' druge strane odgovara (bar po tekstu) tvoja tamnija nijansa...
Svejedno, površina jako lepo izgleda, samo napred!
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 18-01-2009, 20:23:49
Bas sam pogledao par kolora, stvarno nije farbano i kao sto profa kaze matirano. Nisam nikad obracao paznju na farbanje kapotaza i da me neko pitao rekao bih mu da je verovatno u cink-hromatu. Covek se uci dok je ziv.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 18-01-2009, 20:26:05
ok, najmanji problem je da naprskam mat lak ovih dana, ionako kapotaz i motor ne lepim josh za trup, tako da ako imate josh koji savet za ovaj deo makete, dajte dok se nisam bacio na sklapanje ;)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 07-02-2009, 19:37:20
evo malenog napretka...

krila i horizontalci zalepljeni... svi spojevi kojima je trebala dorada dogitovani i ishmirglani... izgubljene linije panela popravljene skrajberom...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day04-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day04-01.jpg)

zabushene rupe na krilima za Quickboost mitraljeze... izgleda da sam malo omashio simetriju rupa na jednom u odnosu na drugo krilo, al nije strashno... ne idemo na Olimpijadu :P :D

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day04-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day04-02.jpg)

na donjem delu krila bila su dva sinkmarka koja su bash bola ochi pa sam ih sredio gitom...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day04-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day04-03.jpg)

otvori izduvnih cevi zabusheni skalperom... a na onoj okrugloj "leptir-klapni" napravio sam zarez na centru kruga...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day04-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day04-04.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day04-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day04-05.jpg)

sledi lepljenje motora i kapotaza i josh par sitnih radova pa se blizimo farbanju... i da... sledi pipavi deo posla - sklapanje poklopaca tochkova od eceraja....
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 07-02-2009, 19:55:04
Gledano na slici, mislis li na cetvrti s leva? Rupu prosiri na dole, centriraj cev, zalepi. Tecnim gitom i finom cetkicom smanji gorni deo rupe. Ako git bude previse zatvorio taj gornji deo, upusti ga tankom iglom i ofarbaj ga u crno i oivici bojom kamuflaze. Tu ce s moci i da uradis mali ciping i da zagaravis. Sto bi se reklo, korektivna sminka. Nema sanse da se vidi! Sve ovo u slucaju da neces da zatvaras rupu i busis ponovo. U tom slucaju razvuci spru, uvuci ga, zalepi i ponovo busi.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 07-02-2009, 20:11:50
pa shta znam.. i ne deluje mi taj chetvrti s leva tako loshe.. mada me ta konkretno rupa najvishe muchila kod obelezavanja iglom... mislio sam konkretno na simetriju levog i desnog krila... mislim da su rupe na levom krilu (desno na slici) malo nize ka zaemlji zabushene u odnosu na one na desnom krilu... mislim.. delic milimetra je razlika.. ali imam neki trip da je mnogo vidljivo  :-\
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 07-02-2009, 20:42:11
Nisu nego te opticki vara ta cetvrta rupa koja je ako je verovati slici otisla malo gore. Mozda i malo treca ali ako spustis cetvrtu nece biti nista primetno. Grize te to sto si uocio gresku, e sad ako imas dobar zeludac... Malim prosirivanjem ostalih rupa takodje mozes popraviti stanje.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 03-01-2010, 20:32:02
skoro godinu dana je proshlo, i nashao sam volje da nastavim radove na ovoj maketi...

ecovane felne  su polepljene na tochkove, a sklopljeni su i ecovanipoklopci stajnog trapa - jedan deo njih - ostalo je josh da odradim glavne poklopce koji se sastoje iz vishe delova i treba ih savijati!

noge stajnog trapa su skracene priblizno 2mm jer ih je Academy napravio duze nego shto trebaju da budu...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day05-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day05-01.jpg)

Quickboost mitraljezi su legli na svoje mesto....

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day05-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day05-02.jpg)

nishanski deo zalepljen...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day05-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day05-03.jpg)

i kapotaz je zalepljen tako da "Eileen" ovako trenutno izgleda....

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day05-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day05-04.jpg)

zalepio sam i ecovane prechage u prostor stajnog trapa....

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day05-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day05-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day05-06.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day05-06.jpg)

A sklopio sam i Quickboost Curtiss 12ft2in propeler....

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day05-07.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day05-07.jpg)

sledi savijanje ecovanih poklopaca stajnog trapa, i rad na ostalim sitnicama oko stajnog trapa, pa se uskoro blizimo prajmeru ;)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 25-12-2011, 19:59:19
Posle skoro dve godine pauze, konačno sam našao dovoljno vremena da se na miru posvetim ecovanim poklopcima prostora za točkove na "Eileen".

Veoma bitna alatka u ovom radu bila je "Mini Hold and Fold" - stega za savijanje ecovanih delova firme "The Small Shop".


(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day06-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day06-01.jpg)

Za par sati rada savio sam sve delove poklopaca stajnog trapa i "sklopio" ih superlepkom - definitivno bolje izgledaju nego plastični delovi dati u kutiji.

Takođe sam na noge stajnog trapa dodao Eduard ecovane "viljuške" za vuču i još neke sitne ecovane delove.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day06-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day06-02.jpg)

Pustiću delove da prenoće kako bi se superlepak dobro osušio a zatim ću Surfejserom preći lepljene spojeve kako bi preostale zazore nakon lepljenja popunio...

Ovo je bio jedan od ključnih koraka koji su me ovako dugo sputavali da ozbiljnije nastavim dalji rad na ovoj maketi, tako da će nakon popravke kompresora početkom naredne godine konačno uslediti i dugo očekivano (i priželjkivano) prajmerovanje i farbanje!
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 25-12-2011, 21:11:28
Kadhoces da se super lepak brzo osusi, umoci delove u vodu, suvo odmah.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: ubermagog on 25-12-2011, 21:33:17
Stavi pored 10 dinara, biće delovi još manji - bićeš onda veći džedaj  :naughty
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 25-12-2011, 21:49:12
Quote from: AG02 on 25-12-2011, 21:11:28
Kadhoces da se super lepak brzo osusi, umoci delove u vodu, suvo odmah.

Znam, voda je akcelerator za super lepak, samo što se onda javlja kristalizacija lepka i spoj postaje mnogo krtiji nego običnim sušenjem - ovom prilikom ne žurim nigde pa nek prirodnim putem sav višak lepka ispari...  :)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 01-07-2012, 16:53:01
Nastavljamo dalje sa "staritetima iz naftalina"... :D

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-01.jpg)

Pošto P-47 ima navigaciona svetla urađena kao lampice u blister poklopcima odgovarajućih boja (crvena i zelena), a prekriveno prozirnim pleksijima na krajevima krila, rešio sam da i ovaj detalj dovedem na svoje mesto - na maketi su krajevi krila naravno u boji plastike.

Prvo sam odsekao vrhove krila gde se nalaze navigaciona svetla, i zafarbao ćoškove u Chrome silver, simulirajući unutrašnju oplatu - negde je bila u boji Yellow Zinc Chromate, a negde u boji metala - usled nedostatka referenci za "Eileen" odlučih se na Chrome silver...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-02.jpg)

Navigaciona svetla sam napravio od po 2 slepljena komadića prozirne plastike sa poklopca kutije od CD-a, u kojima sam nožićem "ugravirao" oblik samih lampica i zafarbao ih u odgovarajuće boje...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-03.jpg)

...a zatim sam te delove superlepkom zalepio na vrhove krila.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-05.jpg)

Nakon sat-dva turpijanja i šmirglanja raznim gradacijama vodenih šmirgli + Gunze "šmirglama" za poliranje + Gunze Polishing Compound hemijom za poliranje, svetla su gotova!

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-06.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-06.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-07.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-07.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-08.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-08.jpg)

Mehurići koji se vide na ovim poslednjim slikama su rezultat lepljenja superlepkom - sastavljano je iz dve polutke plastike po horizontali. Mogao sam ovo da odradim i od debljeg komada prozirnog sprua, ali je poklopac CD kutije prozirniji i čistiji... Uživo se jedva primećuje, tako da je krajnji rezultat dosta uverljiv!  ;)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-09.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-09.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-10.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-10.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-11.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-11.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day07-12.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day07-12.jpg)

Još par nekih finesa sledi, pa krećemo sa prajmerovanjem (konačno, posle toliko godina!)...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Jadgkommando on 01-07-2012, 17:08:01
Odlichno, za te sitne balonchice ja se ne bih sekirao. Samo ga ti farbaj uskoro 8)

Pozdrav!
Dusan.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Tomcat on 03-07-2012, 16:26:18
Ja tek sad vidim da si nastavio rad na ovom P-47. Super, bilo mi je bas zao kad si zastao sa njim u kampanji  ;)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: medico on 03-07-2012, 18:31:54
stvaro naftalinski projekat  >:D lepo izgledaju staklici pa pozicionim svetlima ! u 1/48 bi izgledalo josh efektnije !

Pitam se da li bi se isti efekat postigao vakumiranjem providnim stirenom ivice krila na mestu svetla pre isecanja .
....jedino posle bi trebalo iztrimovati da sve lepo legne na svoje mesto !
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 03-07-2012, 18:36:29
Quote from: medico on 03-07-2012, 18:31:54
Pitam se da li bi se isti efekat postigao vakumiranjem providnim stirenom ivice krila na mestu svetla pre isecanja .
....jedino posle bi trebalo iztrimovati da sve lepo legne na svoje mesto !

Mislim da bi bilo još efektnije po pitanju prozirnosti, s tim što bi onda samo svetlo (crvene i zelene lampice) trebalo napraviti od komadića stirena/sprua, zafarbati i zalepiti na krilo.

Čak bi i prozirna plastika u odgovarajućim bojama mogla da posluži ali je pipavo za oblikovati ovako sitan detalj u 1/72.

Vakuumiranje ovih ivica krila je za veće razmere verovatno bolje rešenje od ovog sa šmirglanjem plastike.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 03-07-2012, 20:27:08
Mislim da se vakuumiranjem ne bi nista znacajnije postiglo a posla daleko vise, bar za 72 i 48. Mozda bi na slikama vakuum izgledao ubedljivije ali i ovo je dovoljno dobro za gledanje uzivo.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: on 03-07-2012, 21:40:42
Sve lepo i za svaku pohvalu ali autor neka ima u vidu, da ukoliko ne zameni stakla nekim tačnijim (ala Revell) i ne snizi stajni trap maketa na kraju neče baš ličiti na P-47D.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 03-07-2012, 22:19:33
Quote from: JŽ on 03-07-2012, 21:40:42
Sve lepo i za svaku pohvalu ali autor neka ima u vidu, da ukoliko ne zameni stakla nekim tačnijim (ala Revell) i ne snizi stajni trap maketa na kraju neče baš ličiti na P-47D.

Stakla ne verujem da ću menjati, a noge stajnog trapa su već prošle kroz "kozmetički tretman"  ;)

http://www.maketarskikutak.com/index.php/topic,5735.msg85369.html#msg85369
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: medico on 04-07-2012, 00:25:10
Quote from: AG02 on 03-07-2012, 20:27:08
Mislim da se vakuumiranjem ne bi nista znacajnije postiglo a posla daleko vise, bar za 72 i 48. Mozda bi na slikama vakuum izgledao ubedljivije ali i ovo je dovoljno dobro za gledanje uzivo.

ja sam to odradio na Do-24  u 1/72 gde je far dosta veci i nalazi se na napadnoj ivici krila , efekat je odlican samo rad - mukotrpan , za  pticu u 1/48 mislim da se vredi potruditi .
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 04-07-2012, 00:53:42
Slazem se, druga je prica za far tipa "hariken" i slicno, to se isplati i u 1/72.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: on 04-07-2012, 09:48:09
Poklopac kabine je kod Academyja nekako krivog oblika i nema pogođenu ni debljinu, ni krivinu donjeg ruba od. okvira.
Tamiya, stara Hasegawa i Revell su tu puno bolje odradili svoj posao.
Isto važi i u 1:48.

Šteta truda ako na kraju ne izgleda kako treba.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 04-07-2012, 11:03:14
Ako otvori kabinu, nece se to toliko primetiti.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 04-07-2012, 11:33:05
Otvorenu kabinu planiram svakako, šteta bi bila da se ne vide svi oni detalji u kokpitu...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 05-08-2012, 20:07:22
Pao je i prajmer - Mr. Surfacer 1200...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day08-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day08-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day08-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day08-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day08-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day08-03.jpg)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 06-08-2012, 12:37:22
Izgleda ko plastika taj mister prajmer.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 06-08-2012, 12:52:27
Malo sam prešao Gunze micromesh krpicom da ujednačim šmirglastu površinu koja se javila na par mesta.

Sledeće za prskanje je prostor stajnog trapa - yellow zinc chromate - pa onda i D-Day oznake na trupu i repu pre kamuflaže...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 16-08-2012, 22:30:14
Rešio sam da umanjim korišćenje Academy dekala koliko god mogu pa je palo prskanje bele boje na vertikalcu i na donjem zadnjem delu trupa.

Bele delove sam zatim zaštitio Tamiya trakom - malo su mi pobegle trake na par mesta ali dobro, svakako će biti lakše nego rad sa Academy dekalima...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day09-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day09-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day09-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day09-02.jpg)

Na delu trupa koji sam maskirao trakom, naprskao sam crnu boju za invazione pruge - maske sam radio preslikavanjem sa dekala.

Takođe sam prostor za točkove i unutrašnji deo poklopaca stajnog trapa naprskao u RAF Interior Green - obzirom da je "Eileen" nosio britanske boje na sebi, pretpostavljam da je i ove delove imao ofarbano u RAF boje...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day09-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day09-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day09-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day09-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day09-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day09-05.jpg)

Sledi maskiranje celog tog dela sa invazionim prugama, pa preshading kao prvi korak do početka kamuflaže...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Kerber on 17-08-2012, 01:07:30
Jos malo i gotovo.
Dobro ti ovo ide, mada je krajnje zahebato na ovim krivinama da teras pravac...al uspeva.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: djos & filip on 17-08-2012, 10:36:51
Lepo napreduje, invazione trake su uvek izazov, mada jos uvek nisam siguran koliko su se na pravim avionima trudili da budu precizno ofarbane.
Posto radim istu maketu, a unutrasnjost stajnog trapa sam ofarbao u cink hromat, pitanje: da li da ostavljam ili menjam u interior green (vidim da si ti odlucio koju boju da koristis...da li si negde nasao informaciju ili ...pretpostavka)

Hvala, sa nestrpljenjem cekam nastavak (em dobar rad em dobra referenca :) )

Pozdrav
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Warhawk on 17-08-2012, 12:08:59
Prema ovom (http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/02/stuff_eng_interior_colours_us_part2.htm) članku, iz fabrike su izlazili sa kutijama u Zinc Chromate Yellow
Ne slažem se sa Srletovom odlukom da se preboji u Britanski interior, nekako mi ne deluje logično. Čak i ako bi radili generalku, verovatno bi se zezali samo sa spoljnim bojama...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 17-08-2012, 12:38:17
Ponelo me blic razmišljanje o bojama, a i trenutno sam farbao nešto sa tom zelenom, a nekih detaljnih informacija o ovom avionu i nema, tako da... moja greška - prefarbaću u Yellow Zinc Chromate  ;)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 22-08-2012, 21:26:34
Preprskao sam poklopce stajnog trapa kao i prostor stajnog trapa u Yellow Zinc Chromate (MM Chrome Yellow + par kapi crne)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day10-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day10-01.jpg)

Elisa ofarbana - ostaje samo kasnije da se naprska osovina i spiner u boju metala...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day10-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day10-02.jpg)

Odrađen preshading...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day10-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day10-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day10-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day10-04.jpg)

Gornje površine ofarbane u akrilnu Gunze RAF Dark Green - ne vidi se na slikama, ali sam malo posvetljenom nijansom na kraju "šarao" po sredini panela... Pod lampm deluje kao maslinasta/braon, ali na dnevnom svetlu se vidi njena zelena nijansa...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day11-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day11-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day11-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day11-02.jpg)

Sledi farbanje donjih površina...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Kerber on 23-08-2012, 09:39:59
Ovaj bese farban odozdo u Sky?
Ovakvi, sa "Taxi" nosem su jedni od najlepsih Boltova.
Tepaj! :D
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 23-08-2012, 09:55:34
Jeste, odozdo ide RAF Sky  ;)

Nego ne spomenuh, odlomio mi se jedan od mitraljeza na desnom krilu tokom manipulacije maketom pri farbanju ... će sredimo na kraju :)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 24-08-2012, 22:33:24
Na poklopce stajnog trapa i na donje površine trupa i krila naprskana je akrilna Gunze RAF Sky...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day12-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day12-01.jpg)

Skinuo sam i maske sa invazionih traka...zadovoljan sam kako je sve ovo ispalo - invazione trake su malkice nakrivo na pojedinim mestima, ali su one farbane na terenu tako da ne verujem da su bile pod konac zafarbane i na pravom avionu... preshading na donjim površinama je jako lepo ispao i trebalo bi da dođe do punog izražaja kasnije, nakon washa...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day12-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day12-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day12-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day12-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day12-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day12-04.jpg)

Razdvajanje gornjeg i donjeg dela kamuflaže sam radio pomoću blutaka, a uz pažljivo prskanje sam dobio onaj poluoštar prelaz...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day12-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day12-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day12-06.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day12-06.jpg)

Plašio sam se da će mi zelena podliti ispod maske na vertikalcu ali srećom nije, tako da deluje mnogo bolje nego dekal da sam lepio :)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day12-07.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day12-07.jpg)

Prostor stajnog trapa je sada u pravoj nijansi - Yellow Zinc Chromate...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day12-08.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day12-08.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day12-09.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day12-09.jpg)

Sledi provera u vezi jednog detalja farbanja na delu kapotaža i eventualno dofarbavanje, a zatim i lakiranje pred dekale... a onda ... videćemo šta me čeka (Academy dekali.. hmm...)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: airsuba on 25-08-2012, 00:32:07
Lepo je ispalo, zanimljivo je ovo farbanje!

Lupi mu ti dva-tri sloja glos laka da površina bude baš ravna i glatka - pa onda udri po dekalima... biće pipavo!
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: medico on 25-08-2012, 01:06:01
odlicno izgleda , sooper je farbanje , prelazi između boja . Jedino za moj ukus trebalo je malo jace da odradis posvetljavanje-overshading panela na gornjim površinama , pogotovo sto je gore u pitanju jednobojna sema .
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 25-08-2012, 09:39:14
Aco, razmišljao sam o posvetljavanju gornjeg dela još malo, međutim, kad sam se sa maketom odmakao od sijalice i pogledao farbanje na prirodnom svetlu, nazire se baš preshading.

Bojim se da bi dodatno posvetljavanje preterano istaklo preshading, a nisam siguran koliko je ovaj avion imao izanđalu kamuflažu - imam samo jednu sliku sa koje se ne vidi najbolje stanje kamuflaže.  :-\

U svakom slučaju, jednobojnu šemu odozgo planiram da malo toniram "dot filteringom", no to će tek kasnije, nakon dekala i regularnog washa...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Kerber on 25-08-2012, 09:51:33
Ovo izgleda veoma dobro.  8)
Decale u toplu, ali ne vrelu vodu, pa Gunze hemija. Pa ako treba i vise puta samo hemiju nakon susenja. Kod mene je taj recept do sada odlicno radio, na Academijevim Dorama....
Hrabro napred! ;)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 25-08-2012, 10:38:29
Nejednake sirine invazionih traka jel' to tako ili pobeglo?
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Nemsy_29 on 25-08-2012, 14:30:23
Quote from: AG02 on 25-08-2012, 10:38:29
Nejednake sirine invazionih traka jel' to tako ili pobeglo?

I meni se malo cini al opet realno pitanje je da li je i na pravom avionu to bilo pod konac posto je u zurbi sve to farbano  :)

Meni se svidja ovaj debeljuca, definitivno jedan od aviona koji se mora imati na polici  :)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 25-08-2012, 15:56:22
Potrudiću se da sredim invazione pruge - farbaću još jednu belu prugu na nosu pa ću usput srediti i te pruge pozadi.

Maske za njih sam radio prema Academy dekalima - precrtao na paus pa onda sa njega sekao Tamiya trakice - i ispostavilo se da je dekal izgleda pogrešno odrađen tj. da ne prati najbolje obline trupa - same pruge bi trebale da budu pomerene još malo unazad inače, ali dekal nalaže da idu na ovom mestu  :-\
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 14-10-2012, 18:17:44
Posle duže pauze vraćam se na "Eileen".

Popravio sam crne i bele invazione pruge na par mesta, a zatim ih "poravnao" sa gornje strane kamuflažnom zelenom. Ovo je najbolje što može da se izvuče - nije perfektno, ali bolje izgleda nego na prethodnim slikama...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day13-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day13-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day13-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day13-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day13-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day13-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day13-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day13-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day13-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day13-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day13-06.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day13-06.jpg)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: dragan_mig31 on 14-10-2012, 18:24:55
Puno bolje izgleda.Samo jedna cev sa desne strane ti je uvucena skroz u krilo.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 14-10-2012, 18:36:21
Quote from: dragan_mig31 on 14-10-2012, 18:24:55
Samo jedna cev sa desne strane ti je uvucena skroz u krilo.

Nije se uvukla - pukla je.  :headbang

Quick Boost mitraljezi su jako tanki i lomljivi i samo delič nepažnje je bio dovoljan - sačuvan je taj delić pa ću ga zalepiti na samom kraju.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: djos & filip on 14-10-2012, 19:05:56
Vrlo lepo izgleda, jos par koraka do kraja :)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: dragan_mig31 on 14-10-2012, 19:49:16
Quote from: Sandman on 14-10-2012, 18:36:21
Quote from: dragan_mig31 on 14-10-2012, 18:24:55
Samo jedna cev sa desne strane ti je uvucena skroz u krilo.

Nije se uvukla - pukla je.  :headbang

Quick Boost mitraljezi su jako tanki i lomljivi i samo delič nepažnje je bio dovoljan - sačuvan je taj delić pa ću ga zalepiti na samom kraju.

Auu :S ja mislio da si ovo napravio sam od medicinske igle.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 20-10-2012, 19:51:08
Danas je palo lakiranje pred dekale.. klasika.. Future...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day14-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day14-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day14-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day14-02.jpg)

Isprobaću par dekala sa ovog seta koji mi ne trebaju za "Eileen" prvo sa raznim tehnikama, kako bih video koja će metoda biti najefikasnija - ovo su stari Academy dekali koji će verovatno praviti problema prilikom lepljenja pa mora prvo test faza  ::)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Jadgkommando on 20-10-2012, 20:20:45
Odlichan! decali, probaj sa hemijom sa sredis to, trebalo bi da odradi posao...

Pozdrav!
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Warhawk on 23-10-2012, 11:25:10
More, mr.Hobby-jev "zeleni zmaj" i nema da brineš  ;)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Mr-HOBBY-Mark-Softer-Decal-40ml-Gunze-Sangyo-MS231-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMTk1/$(KGrHqN,!i0E9eeJ!El)BP)6EkH1lw~~60_35.JPG)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Janjic on 24-10-2012, 00:16:10
Quote from: warhawk on 23-10-2012, 11:25:10
More, mr.Hobby-jev "zeleni zmaj" i nema da brineš  ;)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Mr-HOBBY-Mark-Softer-Decal-40ml-Gunze-Sangyo-MS231-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMTk1/$(KGrHqN,!i0E9eeJ!El)BP)6EkH1lw~~60_35.JPG)

Jel ima negdje u Beogradu da se kupi? Izvinjavam se na OT-u!
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 24-10-2012, 08:48:02
Trenutno mislim da ga nema u maketarskim radnjama po Beogradu, jedino ako neko preko oglasa prodaje.

Inače, juče sam uzeo par dekala iz ove makete i probao par kombinacija sa dekal hemijom - mislim da sam došao do zadovoljavajućeg rešenja, no videćemo kada za koji dan primenim na samoj maketi. Napisaću više o tome kada ih polepim...
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Dada on 24-10-2012, 11:44:48
Shefe, lepo napreduje! Bas lepo!
Jedina zamerka je sto je akademac kao osnova... Ovoliki trud bi bio mnogo bolje iznoshen da je tamija posluzila kao osnova.
Ovo nije kritika, nego neko razmisljanje... Mada kada se to sve lepo nakreci i sredi, nece se videti neka razlika, dok ne napises pored...
Ajd' u ciljnoj si ravnini... Finishiraj to, pa da ti gangam mashe kariranom :)
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Skyrider on 25-10-2012, 11:38:56
Haha Koreja F1  ;) Svaka cast na asocijaciji .A tebi za  Alien-a  :super
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 31-10-2012, 19:44:45
Konačno su polepljeni i dekali!

Academy dekali - ona stara, "ozloglašena" serija - pokazali su se kao neka vrsta izazova.
Ono čega sam se najviše bojao je njihova krtost i tendencija da se pocepaju prilikom manje oprezne manipulacije. Stekao sam utisak da su ovi dekali zapravo rađeni kao neki deblji nanos gloss boje koja na svako jače savijanje puca i truni se.

Iz tog razloga sam sa njima radio veoma pažljivo i mnooooogo sporije nego li sa bilo kojim dekalima do sada!

Od raznih spominjanih metoda (vruća voda, sirće, razne dekal hemije, lepak za papir pomešan sa vodom,...) testiranjem sam utvrdio da je sledeća metoda dala najbolje rezultate:

1. Dekal se potapa u vruću vodu (ne ključalu, ali što je moguće topliju)

2. Mesto gde treba zalepiti dekal može se premazati Gunze Mr. Mark Softerom (zelena bočica), ali nije obavezno pogotovo što dekal čim stupi u kontakt sa ovako pripremljenom podlogom postaje težak za manipulaciju i dalje pozicioniranje. Kod većih dekala ovo može biti od koristi jer veće dekale treba omekšati i sa donje i sa gornje strane.

3. Dekal se namešta sa papira, pozicionira i papirnim ubrusom pritisne kako bi se istisnuo višak vode i vazduha ispod dekala. U prvi mah, dekal se uvija ka gore i ponaša kao da je od kartona! U narednim koracima ćemo dekal "pripitomiti"...

4. Odmah premazujemo dekal Gunze Mr. Mark Softerom (zelena bočica), a zatim štapićem za uši tapkamo po dekalu da upijemo višak dekal hemije - ovo tupkanje sam radio uglavnom linijski - s jedne strane dekala na drugu, pa onda pored tog mesta u istom smeru i tako dalje dok ceo dekal ne istupkam - ovako sam izbegao "nasumično" tupkanje koje bi možda zadržalo vazdušne "čepove" ispod dekala.

5. Nakon prvog tupkanja premazujemo dekal ponovo Mark Softerom, i ponovimo korak 4 - ovo ponavljamo onoliko puta dok ne vidimo da je dekal već malo smekšao i zalepio se za podlogu. Podsetiću da je dekal na početku bio maltene "u vazduhu" tj. nije prianjao dobro za podlogu!

6. Nakon par ovih tupkanja poželjno je tretirano mesto približiti izvoru toplote (obična sijalica) jer sam uočio da toplota pomaže Mark Softeru da dekal bolje omekša i uvuče ga u linije panela. OPREZ - ne držati predugo maketu blizu izvora toplote jer se plastika može pokriviti! Alternativa sijalici može biti fen za kosu, koji možemo dozirano približavati i odaljavati maketi.

7. Ako nismo zadovoljni uleganjem dekala u linije panela možemo ponoviti korak 4

8. Ako smo zadovoljni kako dekal nakon ovog tretmana izgleda, ostavimo ga da malo odstoji - par minuta - a zatim ga premažemo Gunze Mr. Mark Setterom (plava bočica) - ova hemija će ga fiksirati definitivno za podlogu.

I to je manje više to. Iako sva uputstva za dekal hemiju nalažu da se dekal ne dira nakon nanošenja hemije, ovim postupkom sam dokazao da može, ali se mora raditi brzo dok hemija nije krenula da nagriza dekal i da ga sama smežurava.

Sve je rađeno na podlozi koja je lakirana Future-om, a nakon postavljanja dekala maketa je ponovo prelakirana Future-om.

Dekali na elisi i poklopcima točkova...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day15-01.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day15-01.jpg)

"Eileen" je konačno "Eileen" :)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day15-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day15-02.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day15-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day15-03.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day15-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day15-04.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day15-05.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day15-05.jpg)

Kroz USAF rondele se provideo trag invazionih traka koje su prethodno farbane, pa sam četkicom zamočenom u akrilnu Lifecolor belu odradio neku vrstu drybrusha. Obe rondele sam malo zasekao kako bi lakše legle preko otvora na trupu.

Sa leve strane trupa, preko kodnog slova W, pravougaoni panel je zafarban u belo - na referentnoj slici se vidi ovaj detalj i verovatno je taj panel zamenjen u toku korišćenja ovog aviona.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day15-06.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day15-06.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day15-07.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day15-07.jpg)

Jedini veći problem sa dekalima je bilo šahovsko polje na kapotažu motora - sastoji se iz dva dekala koji se lepe na levu i desnu stranu kapotaža. Desni dekal je lepo legao, dok je se levi za delić milimetra smakao i prouzrokovao neuklapanje sa desnim dekalom na donjem delu kapotaža. Razmak koji je nastao (~1-2mm) sam docrtao crnom i belom bojom tankom četkicom. Na ovoj slici se vidi popravljeni centralni deo kapotaža... Još na par mesta sam četkicom docrtavao belu i crnu gde je dekal malo "otkrivudao" ali se u principu sve to ni ne primećuje mnogo, tek kad se zagleda...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/th_Day15-08.jpg) (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a173/srkirad/Kampanje/West%20front%201943-44/Academy%201-72%20P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20-Eileen-/Day15-08.jpg)

Sledi wash pa dot filtering i onda finalno lakiranje....
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Goran A. on 31-10-2012, 23:58:22
Kad stegne lak i osusi se, ja bi smirglucnuo sa 1500  i poravnao samo one zguzvane pregibe, ne cele kocke. Nista se ne bi primetilo posle dofarbavanja. Al' neces ti to, znam. 
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Sandman on 24-04-2014, 21:02:01
Posle godinu i po dana konačno sam se nakanio da odradim wash na "Eileen"... slikarske uljane boje - braonkasto-zelenkasti odozgo, a sivkasti odozdo...

(https://srkirad.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/day16-01.jpg)

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Odozgo wash nije trenutno preterano uočljiv jer se površina i dalje sija od Future-a, ali bi trebalo da finalni sloj polusjajnog laka istakne wash u linijama panela...

(https://srkirad.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/day16-03.jpg)

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Tokom washovanja slučajno se skinula maska sa levog pozicionog svetla, pa evo još jednog podsećanja na ovaj detalj u samogradnji...

(https://srkirad.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/day16-05.jpg)

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Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: relja on 24-04-2014, 21:38:12
Ti si ovo vrhunski odradio, svaka čast.
Bolje izgleda nego crtež na kutiji :)

Imam ovu Academyjevu maketu i planirao sam da je uradim upravo u ovoj varijanti, ali priznajem da si me pokolebao sa  ovom pričom sa dekalima.
Title: Re: Academy 1/72 P-47D Thunderbolt "Eileen"
Post by: Skyrider on 24-04-2014, 21:57:37
Academy dekali pre kartografa su, slikovito receno, djubre. Ja sam imao losa iskustva sa dekalima za Mustanga, a ovaj P-47 je iz iste serije. Ako nameravas da radis "Eliena" dobro pazi pri dekaliranju. Bilo bi pozeljno da zamenis sve rondele ako imas iz nekog viska, i da smislis kako da sredis kariranu zastavu. Ostalo jos moze i da prodje :) ...
A "Elien" je odlican....